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Is CFS a psychological illness?

     While fatigue is a common complaint, those individuals who have chronic fatigue lasting more
     than six months and who meet the CDC criteria for chronic fatigue syndrome have a condition
     than can be serious and disabling. Recent research does show laboratory abnormalities in the
     CFS patient population, although the search continues for a specific biomarker that will identify
     the illness. 

     U.S. Assistant Secretary for Health Dr. Philip R. Lee has stated 

          although we have not yet been able to fully describe the basis for CFS, nor do
          we fully understand the mechanisms of CFS, it is very real and it is not a
          figment of anyone's imagination. CFS is devastating to many who have it. 

     Dr. Paul Levine, M.D. of the National Institutes of Health writes 

          there is general agreement that CFS is a severe debilitating illness that deserves
          the utmost attention of the clinical and scientific communities. 

     Prof. Anthony Komaroff M.D. of Harvard Medical School has recently written 

          a growing number of physicians ... have studied the scientific literature on
          chronic fatigue syndrome -- which now numbers several thousand research
          articles. 

          There is no evidence of any psychiatric disorder in a sizable number of patients
          with this illness. However, in laboratory tests, there is evidence of abnormalities
          in the brain and immune system of many of these patients.... We still do not
          understand the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome, but studies around the world
          show it is not ... "all in their heads". 

     This web page contains medical references and advice from clinicians for diagnosing and
     treating CFS. 

     An up-to-date background about CFS was published as a supplement of the American Journal
     of Medicine (see Am J Med 1998 Sep 28;105(3A). The supplement contains 19 scientific
     articles. For purchase information and/or online viewing, see the web page at
     http://www.cais.net/cfs-news/ajm98.htm. 


DIAGNOSIS

     Dr. Paul Levine of NIH writes: "the case definition for CFS is a research definition, and as a
     result there are a number of exclusions (e.g., a history of neoplastic or other disorders) that are
     routinely invoked to define a more homogeneous group of patients as study subjects.
     Clinically, however, there is no reason why a patient excluded by a research protocol should
     not be managed for CFS if that is the apparent clinical diagnosis." 

     In addition, "patients presenting with fatigue who do not quite meet the case definition for CFS
     would still benefit from the management techniques appropriate for CFS." 

     CFS is defined somewhat differently by various medical groups in different countries. The
     1994 research definition published by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
     recommends a step-wise approach for identifying CFS cases. The first step is to clinically
     evaluate the presence of chronic fatigue, i.e. "self-reported persistent or relapsing fatigue lasting
     6 or more consecutive months". 

     Conditions that explain chronic fatigue should exclude a diagnosis of CFS. These are: 

          - "any active medical condition that may explain the presence of chronic fatigue ..." 

          - any previous condition which might explain fatigue and which has not
          documentably come to an end; 

          - "any past or current diagnosis of a major depressive disorder with psychotic or
          melancholic features; bipolar affective disorders; schizophrenia of any subtype;
          delusional disorders of any subtype; dementias of any subtype; anorexia nervosa; or
          bulimia"; 

          - substance abuse within 2 years prior to onset; 

          - severe obesity. 

     The following should not exclude a diagnosis of chronic fatigue: 

          - conditions which cannot be confirmed by lab tests, "including fibromyalgia,
          anxiety disorders, somatoform disorders, nonpsychotic or nonmelancholic
          depression, neurasthenia, and multiple chemical sensitivity disorder"; 

          - any condition which might produce chronic fatigue but which is being sufficiently
          treated; 

          - any condition which might produce chronic fatigue but whose treatment has
          already been completed; 

          - any finding which on its own is not sufficient to strongly suggest one of the
          exclusionary conditions. 

     After the above criteria are met, the following core criteria for CFS are applied: "A case of the
     chronic fatigue syndrome is defined by the presence of the following: 

          1) clinically evaluated, unexplained persistent or relapsing chronic fatigue that is of
          new or definite onset (has not been lifelong); is not the result of ongoing exertion; is
          not substantially alleviated by rest; and results in substantial reduction in previous
          levels of occupational, educational, social or personal activities; and 

          2) the concurrent occurrence of four or more of the following symptoms, all of
          which must have persisted or recurred during 6 or more consecutive months of
          illness and must not have predated the fatigue: 

               - self-reported impairment in short term memory or concentration severe
               enough to cause substantial reduction in previous levels of occupational,
               educational, social or personal activities; 

               - sore throat; 

               - tender cervical or axillary lymph nodes; 

               - muscle pain; 

               - multi-joint pain without joint swelling or redness; 

               - headaches of a new type, pattern or severity; 

               - unrefreshing sleep; 

               - and post exertional malaise lasting more than 24 hours." 

     The journal citation for the CDC definition article is: Keiji Fukuda, Stephen Straus, Ian Hickie,
     Michael Sharpe, James Dobbins, Anthony Komaroff, and the International CFS Study Group.
     "The Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Comprehensive Approach to Its Definition and Study".
     Ann Intern Med. 1994;121:953-959. The full text of this paper can be viewed online at
     http://www.lifelines.com/cfstxt.html


TREATMENTS

     There is not yet any consensus on a treatment protocol for CFS. Two surveys of physicians
     have been conducted to show which treatments are commonly applied in CFS cases, one of
     doctors who gather at the bi-annual meetings of the American Association for Chronic Fatigue
     Syndrome (AACFS) as reported in CFS-NEWS, and a mail survey of AACFS members
     conducted by Jonathan Rest MD. 

     From these two sources, the following appear to be typical prescriptions: 

          - teaching the patient energy management and recognition of limits 

          - SSRIs such as Zoloft, Paxil and Prozac, used to address fatigue, cognitive
          dysfunction and depression 

          - low dose tricyclic anti-depressants such as doxepin and amitriptyline, for sleep
          disorder, and muscle and joint pain and 

          - NSAIDs such as ibuprofen and naproxen for headache, and muscle and joint pain.

     Other treatments often prescribed are Klonopin, intra-muscular gamma globulin (IMgG),
     nutritional supplements (particularly anti-oxidants, B-vitamins generally and B-12 specifically),
     herbs, and acupuncture. Less often prescribed were chiropractic therapy, intravenous gamma
     globulin (IVgG), kutapressin, antivirals, interferon, and transfer factor. 

     A number of CFS cases have been linked to neurally mediated hypotension as reported in
     JAMA and the Lancet. Some CFS patients respond to NMH treatments when that condition is
     indicated. For more information, see the Johns Hopkins CFS web page and also the interview
     with Hopkins researcher Peter Rowe MD that appeared in CFS-NEWS #45.

     It will be useful to read "What we know about chronic fatigue syndrome and its relevance to
     the practicing physician" by Paul Levine, Am J Med. 1998;105(3A):100S-103S. 

     Note the following online links: 


     The following hardcopy references are also helpful: 

     Conservative approaches

     "Management of a Patient with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" by Nelson Gantz; appears as
     Chapter 14 in the book "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" edited by David Dawson and Thomas
     Sabin, 1993, Little, Brown & Co. 

     "Treatment of the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Review and Practical Guide", Edith
     Blonde-Hill and Stephen D. Shafran, Drugs 46(4):639-651, October 1993. 

     "Psychotropic Treatment of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Related Disorders", PJ Goodnick
     and R Sandoval; J Clin Psychiatry 54(1):13-20 January 1993 

     Moderate and aggressive approaches

     Book: "The Doctor's Guide to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome ", Dr. David Bell, Perseus / Harper
     Collins, 1995. (To purchase in the USA, tel. 800-331-3761, Canada, 800 387 0117, world
     +1-201-967-5817.) 

     Book: "Facing and Fighting Fatigue", Dr. Benjamin Natelson, Yale University Press, 1998. (To
     purchase in the USA, tel. 800-987-7323, world +1-203-432-0940.) 

     Book: "From Fatigued to Fantastic!", Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum. Avery Publishing, 1995. (To
     purchase in the USA, tel. 800-333-5287, world +1-410-266-6958.) 

     Book: "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Treatment Guide ", Erica F. Verrillo and Lauren M.
     Gellman, Quality Medical Publishing, 1997. (To purchase in the USA, tel. 800-348-7808,
     world +1-314-878-9937.) 


CFS RESOURCES

                CFS info on the web

News and Journals
  •      The CFIDS Chronicle, published bi-monthly, has articles of interest to both clinicians and     patients. USA $35, Canada $45, overseas $60 yearly. Send to CFIDS Association of America,     Inc., P.O. 220398, Charlotte, NC 28222-0398, USA. 


Doctors private discussion group on the Internet

     There is a private e-mail discussion group for doctors that wish to discuss CFS issues with
     their professional peers. To join the group, see the web page at
     http://www.cais.net/cfs-news/cfs-doc.htm or write to the listowner via e-mail at
     cfs-doc-request@maelstrom.stjohns.edu.


General medical resources


Major medical journals:

Also note these other important CFS information resources:

            [CFS / M.E. Information page]    [CFS Frequently Asked Questions]    [CFS Quick Index]

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DEALING WITH DOCTORS
WHEN YOU HAVE CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME
By Camilla Cracchiolo, RN
Having CFS means that we have to get pretty good at getting what
we want out of the medical system.  Yes, we have a
controversial disorder.  Yes, lots of people don't take us
seriously.  But that's no reason to despair!  With a proper
approach, you can go a long way in getting what you need out of
doctors.

There are a number of books and articles out there giving advice on what to
do when you go to a doctor.  They usually say things like:  "Be an
informed medical consumer."  "Write down all your questions so you
remember to ask the doctor about them." Or "Make a list of all your
medications so the doctor knows what you are taking."  These are all
excellent pieces of advice, and I think you should do those things.

But what I've found is that these articles fall woefully short
for people with CFS.  A large part of this is because our condition
is poorly understood and hotly debated even among doctors.  In
fact, many of us have been treated disgracefully by physicians.
(although I hasten to say that some physicians have gone above and
beyond the call of duty to help us, too.  Unfortunately, there aren't
enough of this latter type.)

So I want to give some practical tips on how to deal with doctors
and with the medical system.  I'm assuming here that it's very clear that
you do have CFS and that you have gotten a proper and thorough workup
that has ruled out other medical problems.  You don't want to try to push
a physician into giving you a CFS diagnosis while leaving a serious
and/or treatable condition undiagnosed.

First, YOU MUST DO YOUR HOMEWORK!  It is unjust and unfair
that you should have to do this when you are ill.  But you will
deeply regret it if you do not.

Begin by educating yourself thoroughly about your illness.  You
cannot rely on your physician to know about this syndrome.  If you
write to the CFIDS Association in North Carolina, they will send you
basic information on CFS.  Cost: $1.00.  I also urge you to spring with
$25 and join the CFIDS Association.  The new member packet alone is
a treasure trove of information.  Their address is:

    The CFIDS Association of America, Inc.
    P.O. Box 220398
    Charlotte, NC 28222-0398

They have a toll free line (800) 442-3437, with basic recorded info,
and an excellent 900 number with more recorded info on different
topics at (900) 896-2343.

There are also many electronic resources available for the dedicated
modem user.  These can be found in the CFS Electronic Resources file
put together by Roger Burns.  It may be obtained on many computer
bulletin board systems, or through e-mail over the Internet:

Send to: LISTSERV%ALBNYDH2.BITNET@ALBANY.EDU

         GET CFS-RES.TXT

I also have a draft FAQ that contains this information, that you can
get by sending a request (internet only) to camilla@primenet.com

Next, you need to get ahold of some medical resource books.  You
will need these not only to better understand CFS, but also because
we are prone to develop other medical problems as well.

I recommend that every person with a chronic illness go purchase the
following books:

1.  The Merck Medical Manual.  This book is an invaluable guide to
all different kinds of medical conditions, although it is terribly
inadequate on CFS.  I recommend it because people with CFS frequently
develop many secondary medical problems, such as problems with their
urinary tract, irritable bowel syndrome, vision difficulty, a wide
variety of neurologic problems, etc.  The Merck Manual is like a
mini medical textbook.

Cost:  About $30 new, older editions are often available in second
hand bookstores.  Buy it new if you can afford it.

2.  A good medical dictionary.  I recommend Taber's Cyclopedic
Medical Dictionary, although there are many other good ones out
there.  You are going to need this to understand what the Merck
Manual says if you don't have a medical background.

Cost:  Taber's is about $20 new, but older editions from used
bookstores are just fine.

3.  A good professional pharmacology reference.  The two I have had
recommended to me by physicians over and over again is Goodman's and
Gilman's _The Pharmacologic Basis of Theraputics_ and the AMA Drug
Evaluations.  Get new editions if you can possibly afford it.

Of these two books, most people with CFS will probably prefer The AMA Drug
Evaluations.  This book lists more practical concerns, like how often a
particular side effect occurs.  Many physicians prefer the AMA Drug
Evaluations for this reason and if you can only afford one of the above
books, get this.

Goodman's and Gilman's is good for very detailed information.  If you want to
know everything there is to know about the drug you've just been prescribed,
(especially the chemistry and how it's metabolized) this is the book
for you.

Cost: Goodman and Gilman's runs about $100.  The AMA Drug
Evaluations are $50 - $100.  If you buy used, try to get one no more
than two or three years old; new drugs are constantly being
introduced, particularly antidepressants and psychoactive drugs.

4.  An anatomy and physiology text.  Gray's Anatomy is the best and
most detailed, but a less detailed text from a used bookstore is
perfectly adequate.  You will need this book to figure out what the
Merck Manual is saying.  You may also find that you want a more
detailed physiology book.  I recommend _Human Physiology: The
Mechanisms of Body Function_ by Vander, Sherman and Luciano. A used
edition is fine also.

These books are usually available in public libraries.  I urge
you to get copies of your own, however.  I'm aware of the financial
constraints a lot of us are under from not working, but CFS often
prevents us from going to the library just when we most need to.

You should also learn how to search Medline.  Medline is the database of
the US National Library of Medicine and contains current and past
citations from thousands of medical and biomedical journals around the world.
You don't have to have a modem of your own to search it; often local
medical school libraries provide free access to the community.  For more
information you should contact:

The National Techical Information Service at 1-800-423-9255 or
write to them at:

              NTIS
              5285 Port Royal Road
              Springfield, VA 22161

I have a small FAQ on Medline that you can get my sending me an
e-mail request at camilla@primenet.com

Next, you must take your doctor visits quite seriously.

It's natural for people who are very ill to want to go to the doctor
and place all their problems in his or her hands.  We all want to
say:  "Here, make it all better now."  Unfortunately, we people with
CFS often can't do this.  We may be in an adversarial position with
the doctor (for example, if you are seeing a physician employed by a
disability carrier who is trying to deny you benefits.)  Or we may
simply have found a 'regular guy' kind of MD, who doesn't specialize
in CFS and who doesn't know a whole lot about it.

You need to realize some things about doctors.  First, they're
folks, like other folks; they're not gods and they're not demons.
Most are good people.  A few are truly awful.  All are fallible, and
no one doctor can possibly keep up with all the new medical information
coming out.

Physicians are usually *very* overworked and under a lot of stress.
The office hours in which you see him or her are not the only hours the
doctor is working.  They see hospital patients  before and after office
hours.  They spend hours filling out forms for  disability carriers.
They are awakened in the middle of the night with emergency calls.  70
hour work weeks are not uncommon.

Doctors (at least the good ones) are very worried about committing
malpractice and about the good opinion of  their colleagues. (Indeed, a
bad reputation can ruin a doctor's career for life.)  Primum non nocere
("First, do no harm") is drummed into  doctors from the day they first
enter medical school.  Thus, they tend to be conservative in their
judgements  and are cautious when evaluating new  medical information.
This is can be frustrating for us folks with CFS (especially when the
doctor wants positive lab or physical exam findings and we don't have
any.)  But remember, we *want*  our doctors to be careful
and conscientious, so we should be willing to cooperate with them.

How does all this translate into action?  It means that the more work you
do for the doctor, the more likely you are to get what you need.  By
this I mean that you need to present your  medical history and symptoms
clearly and concisely, in a form as close as  possible to what they need
to write a proper consultation report.  You  need to have your references
ready so they can see that your (and their) opinions are backed up by the
scientific community.  If there is a particular treatment that you want
to try, you should have all the journal citations, the scientific
rationale and the treatment details (This is called a protocol and includes
things like what dose of drug to give for how long, how to tell if the
treatment is successful, etc).

You should also realize that doctors are pretty much like the rest of the
population as far as attitudes go.  You can't count on them being
totally unbiased, any more than you can count on any other person being
completely free of pre-judgements.  It's important to get past whatever
preconceptions a doctor has and to get him or her dealing with your real
medical problems.

And finally: You *must* remember that you may have to build a legal case
to collect disability at some point.  How your doctor views you and
your illness can make or break your case.

This is how I act whenever I see a new doctor:

First of all, I dress up.  I treat the visit as though I were
going to a job interview.  It's unfortunate, but doctors, like other
folks, often decide how seriously to take someone based on how they
dress and how they conduct themselves.  And if you do NOT want to be
labelled as having primary depression, dressing well and being well
groomed is a must!  An important part of making the diagnosis of
depression is how carefully groomed you are.  If you are
unkempt, it may be assumed that you are not taking care of your
appearance because you are depressed.

I always insist on meeting the physician fully clothed, and I take
all my relevant medical records with me.  I NEVER let them put me in
an exam room and tell me to put on the gown if I am meeting a
physician for the first time.  I make it a point to shake his or
her hand, and properly introduce myself.  I think it's best to
conduct yourself as though you were in a business meeting.

Second:  I ALWAYS, take literature to a new doctor! I NEVER assume that
they know anything about CFS.  In particular, I take the "CFS: A Primer
for Physicians" document, put out by the Mass. CFIDS Association and Jay
Goldstein's article from the CFIDS Chronicle on his hypothesis that CFS
involves a disorder of the limbic system in the brain.  I have a file of
several hundred study abstracts on CFS and Fibromyalgia Syndrome,
taken off Medline, that I always take as well.  If you want to try
anti-depressants, take the Jay Goldstein article "The Neuropharmacology
of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" from the Fall, 1993 issue of the CFIDS Chronicle.
Once doctors see that you have searched and read the literature, they take
you much more seriously.  All of the above articles are available on my
(free) BBS, at 213-766-1356, or by e-mail (internet only) from
camilla@primenet.com.

Third:  Take your medical records with you.  I've found that simply
showing my records to a doctor helps impress upon them how ill I am
and how much I have looked for help with it.  Plus, it tells the doctor
that you are well prepared, and that you will probably also see what
he/she writes down about you.  Again, this can be crucial in disability
cases. Also, some facilities (particularly HMOs) have a tendency to
lose your records, so you cannot assume that your doctor has already
seen all the relevant information.

Important to know: Social Security does not usually send your medical
records to their evaluating physicians ahead of time.  So it's especially
important to bring your records when seeing a doctor employed by the
Social Security Administration.

The easiest way to get copies of your records is to find a sympathetic
physician or clinic that will let you have the records sent there and
then give you a copy.  Failing that, find out the law in your state.
In most parts of the US, you are legally entitled to a copy of your
records, although the provider may insist that you be with a physician
when reviewing them and may require a reasonable fee for copying (often
about $25).

The Public Citizen Health Research Group (Ralph Nader and Dr. Sydney
Wolfe's consumer advocacy group) puts out an excellent booklet on how to
get your medical records.  It costs about $10 and lists what the laws are
in each state in the US.  You can get it by writing to:

Public Citizen Publications
2000 P Street NW
Suite 600
Washington, D.C.  20036

If you're like most people with CFS, your medical records are
quite extensive.  I recommend that you get a loose leaf notebook
and notebook dividers (the kind with the little plastic tabs).  I
have my notebook broken down by medical speciality, rather than
by date.  I've found this makes retrieving essential reports much
faster, and also greatly facilitates a physician reviewing
your records.  I keep the most important specialities in the
front divisions: (i.e., my neuropsych report, my consultation with
a CFS specialist, the psychiatrist report that says I don't have
primary depression, and the neurologist reports.)  Lab results I
keep stuck to the back of the notebook with metal tabs, most recent
on top.  This is how many hospital charts are organized, and so
physicians are already familiar with how to review the info.
 

Other useful tips:

* Take someone with you, preferably a person who is well informed about
  CFS, and not easily intimidated by doctors.  It's a terrible burden
  to a person with CFS to have to remember questions, stand up to a
  doctor, do all this reading, etc.  We're usually walking around in a
  fog, having trouble remembering what we had for breakfast!  A good
  'patient advocate' can be a godsend.  Write down all your questions
  and give them to this person to ask!

* Unless you're specifically going to a holistic physician, don't
  bring up alternative medicine, yeast syndrome, mega-vitamins,
  acupuncture, herbs, etc.  Forget getting any traditional physician
  to take these seriously.  You will only harm yourself by
  giving a negative impression to the doctor.

* Become familiar with the Centers for Disease Control definition of
  CFS.  If you meet the case definition, make sure your physician
  knows this.  If you have trouble remembering all your symptoms,
  write them down.  This may be crucial in deciding a disability case.

* Take paper and a pen whenever you visit a doctor, so you can write
  down things you wish to follow up on.
 

For people dealing with HMOs:

Obviously, a person with CFS is in a much stronger position if they
can pick their own physician, preferably based on the recommendation
of a local CFS support group.  But if you are dealing with an HMO,
don't despair.  Even in HMOs, there is often a doctor somewhere in
the group who is up on CFS.  He/she may be the only one in the whole
organization, and you may have to look real hard to find them, but if
you persevere, usually you can find one.  (This section may also be
applicable to UK readers, since the British National Health System
is much like an American HMO.)

HMOs vary a lot.  I currently have Kaiser coverage, and here's what
I've found dealing with them:

The primary docs, (internal medicine and family practice) really are
not very knowledgable about CFS and view it as their job to keep you
from getting referrals to specialists if they can.

The specialists are another story entirely.  Particularly in
the neurology dept, they are very up on CFS.  A friend of mine with
CFS also had a very positive experience in the Rheumatology dept.
Allergy and Immunology specialists are another group that tend to be
well informed about CFS.

If you are very clear about what you want and very up on the research,
you can get what you want out of the primary docs.  Which is to say:
a referral to a specialist!  To get this, you need to state clearly
why you want the referral, and have literature and/or lab results to
back you up.

For example, to see a neurologist, have a specific problem in mind.
You may be having non-specific neuralgias; you may want treatment
for a serious sleep disorder.  To see a rheumatologist, take in
stuff on fibromyalgia and clearly present your case for why you
believe you have it.

You are also ahead of the game if you have a name of a particular
doc that you want to see.  And don't hesitate to ask the nurses who
they recommend.  I finally found the one doctor in all of Los
Angeles Kaiser who specializes in CFS by asking a nurse friend who
works there to do a little digging for me.

Finally, realize that you may have to go outside the HMO to get what
you need and fight with them later about making them pay for it.
Learn your rights inside the organization.  Most people don't
realize that many HMOs let you change your primary physician simply by
calling the membership services dept and requesting a new one.
Maybe you're going to have to go through the entire family practice
dept before you get a doctor you like.  So what?  The most important
thing is: don't give up!
 

Copyright 1995 by Camilla Cracchiolo.  May be freely reproduced for
non-profit purposes *only*, if the article is reproduced in its
entirety, credit is given and this notice remains attached.

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